1 00:00:28,470 --> 00:00:18,950 [Music] 2 00:00:33,220 --> 00:00:31,349 this is somewhere in the skies with ryan 3 00:00:52,549 --> 00:00:33,230 spread 4 00:00:56,709 --> 00:00:54,709 hey guys ryan sprague here from summer 5 00:00:59,189 --> 00:00:56,719 in the skies and welcome to a very 6 00:01:01,750 --> 00:00:59,199 special live stream tonight here where 7 00:01:04,549 --> 00:01:01,760 i'm going to be reading a very 8 00:01:07,510 --> 00:01:04,559 interesting chapter from my book 9 00:01:09,190 --> 00:01:07,520 somewhere in the skies um so before we 10 00:01:11,429 --> 00:01:09,200 get to that just want to say hello to 11 00:01:13,350 --> 00:01:11,439 everyone in the chat hi esmerelda hello 12 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:13,360 alien girl thank you so much for being 13 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:14,400 here 14 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:15,280 um 15 00:01:19,030 --> 00:01:17,520 yeah so this is gonna be cool this is 16 00:01:20,550 --> 00:01:19,040 one of the most interesting chapters and 17 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:20,560 one of the most talked about chapters 18 00:01:24,429 --> 00:01:23,280 from my my book uh both editions 19 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:24,439 actually the 20 00:01:31,510 --> 00:01:29,040 2016 edition and the 2020 21 00:01:34,630 --> 00:01:31,520 2020 edition i forgot which year the 22 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:34,640 second volume was uh published but um 23 00:01:37,990 --> 00:01:36,640 yeah this is going to be just kind of 24 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:38,000 like a read along i'm going to read the 25 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:40,720 chapter i've got some visuals to uh 26 00:01:45,910 --> 00:01:43,280 to show you guys as well with that 27 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:45,920 um but before we do that i did want to 28 00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:47,680 share some exciting news if you haven't 29 00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:50,399 been to your local grocery store 30 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:53,119 or barnes and noble or convenience store 31 00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:55,680 uh this magazine that came out um i 32 00:02:01,990 --> 00:01:58,240 believe it's from life magazine uh 33 00:02:04,630 --> 00:02:02,000 called aliens um why you should believe 34 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:04,640 right in the towards the end of it they 35 00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:06,479 had this really cool 36 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:08,640 uh thing about which podcasts you should 37 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:09,759 listen to 38 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:11,440 that have to do with ufos and you'll 39 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:13,040 notice a very 40 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:14,959 interesting one right there we've got 41 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:16,640 somewhere in the skies we've got ufo 42 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:19,280 chronicles we've got hysteria 51 we've 43 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:22,319 got alien theorists theorizing we've got 44 00:02:27,190 --> 00:02:25,200 unknown the podcast so yeah really cool 45 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:27,200 write-up in this magazine um so if you 46 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:29,200 haven't already be sure to try to find 47 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:31,040 this in your local stores i don't know 48 00:02:36,150 --> 00:02:34,080 if it's just in the u.s um but yeah i 49 00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:36,160 thought that was pretty cool um a 50 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:37,920 listener of the show happened to just be 51 00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:40,640 in an airport and and sent me a photo so 52 00:02:46,229 --> 00:02:42,239 i immediately went out and grabbed a 53 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:46,239 copy so yeah check that out if you can 54 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:47,120 um 55 00:02:50,710 --> 00:02:49,280 if you guys have any questions tonight 56 00:02:52,949 --> 00:02:50,720 while i'm reading this chapter i'm going 57 00:02:55,990 --> 00:02:52,959 to kind of read it and give some 58 00:02:59,110 --> 00:02:56,000 commentary along the way from it as well 59 00:03:00,630 --> 00:02:59,120 um this should be pretty fun you know i 60 00:03:02,949 --> 00:03:00,640 think we could use that in the world 61 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:02,959 right now so thank you thank you for 62 00:03:07,030 --> 00:03:05,200 everyone who's hopped in tonight hello 63 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:07,040 a51 watcher 64 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:09,360 hello hillary hello 65 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:11,920 we've got uh metal hendrix jason hello 66 00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:14,080 hello everybody thank you so much for 67 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:17,920 being here um so i have a cool slideshow 68 00:03:23,589 --> 00:03:19,120 i'm going to set up for you guys here 69 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:25,910 so yeah tonight we are going to be 70 00:03:33,589 --> 00:03:29,519 hearing chapter 14 from my book uh my 71 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:33,599 weekend in the woods with ufo abductees 72 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:36,239 and uh this was an interesting one i had 73 00:03:42,229 --> 00:03:38,640 the opportunity during the research for 74 00:03:44,149 --> 00:03:42,239 my book to join a group of individuals 75 00:03:47,030 --> 00:03:44,159 who have claimed to have been 76 00:03:48,470 --> 00:03:47,040 experiencers or abducted by aliens and 77 00:03:49,990 --> 00:03:48,480 they were going to get together kind of 78 00:03:51,430 --> 00:03:50,000 like a support group and talk about 79 00:03:53,429 --> 00:03:51,440 their experiences 80 00:03:56,229 --> 00:03:53,439 and i was very honored to have been 81 00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:56,239 invited as the non-experiencer uh to 82 00:04:01,190 --> 00:03:58,400 come and kind of just hear the stories 83 00:04:03,830 --> 00:04:01,200 and and hear how how these people 84 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:03,840 interact with one another and um and how 85 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:05,920 those conversations go uh for my 86 00:04:09,910 --> 00:04:07,360 research for the book so i thought it 87 00:04:12,149 --> 00:04:09,920 would be pretty cool hello to bn i 88 00:04:13,030 --> 00:04:12,159 appreciate you guys being here 89 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:13,040 um 90 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:15,360 and once again guys the super chat and 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120 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:19,919 out there 121 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:22,800 uh what does bien say here 122 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:25,360 nice boo 123 00:05:32,469 --> 00:05:29,360 awesome um so let's just dive into it 124 00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:32,479 guys this is the chapter from my book 125 00:05:38,390 --> 00:05:35,280 called my weekend in the woods with ufo 126 00:05:43,029 --> 00:05:41,270 it was late march of 2015 winter had 127 00:05:44,790 --> 00:05:43,039 officially turned to spring but you 128 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:44,800 wouldn't be able to tell from the frigid 129 00:05:49,590 --> 00:05:47,520 temperatures plaguing the east coast 130 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:49,600 jane and i rode the train upstate from 131 00:05:53,430 --> 00:05:51,440 new york city to saranac lake a 132 00:05:55,590 --> 00:05:53,440 beautiful town tucked snugly into the 133 00:05:57,430 --> 00:05:55,600 adirondack mountains 134 00:05:59,590 --> 00:05:57,440 we had been craving a weekend away from 135 00:06:02,070 --> 00:05:59,600 the city for months now having suffered 136 00:06:04,309 --> 00:06:02,080 a very harsh winter and didn't seem to 137 00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:04,319 be letting up anytime soon 138 00:06:08,710 --> 00:06:06,000 as the train chugged its way out of 139 00:06:11,029 --> 00:06:08,720 manhattan the ride gradually became 140 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:11,039 became a sight to behold 141 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:13,919 endless stretches of frozen lakes and 142 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:16,000 snow-filled pine trees surrounded us 143 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:18,960 like a colorado winter 144 00:06:23,590 --> 00:06:20,880 we'd been invited by a close friend and 145 00:06:26,150 --> 00:06:23,600 colleague mike cleland to join him and a 146 00:06:28,390 --> 00:06:26,160 few others for a weekend a weekend of 147 00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:28,400 rest relaxation and friendly 148 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:30,160 conversation 149 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:32,080 mike had recently moved from the rockies 150 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:34,240 to new york state taking up residence in 151 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:36,160 a cozy bed and breakfast run by his 152 00:06:41,830 --> 00:06:39,039 partner andrea 153 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:41,840 and this was that bed and breakfast 154 00:06:46,150 --> 00:06:44,479 i'll do a little commentary as well 155 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:46,160 while we're doing this guys this place 156 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:48,479 is really cool tucked really snugly in 157 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:50,560 the woods 158 00:07:00,550 --> 00:06:58,150 where was i 159 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:00,560 let's see 160 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:03,039 while uh with skiing and hiking season 161 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:05,280 winding down the town truly served up 162 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:07,680 the dead silence we had yearned for 163 00:07:11,749 --> 00:07:09,360 the bed and breakfast appropriately 164 00:07:14,629 --> 00:07:11,759 named the doctors inn had once housed 165 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:14,639 many physicians who treated tuberculosis 166 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:18,240 patients at a nearby sanatorium 167 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:21,280 now the sanatorium sat vacant its iron 168 00:07:25,510 --> 00:07:23,120 gate rusted open 169 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:25,520 and its many buildings rotting away from 170 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:27,440 years of abandonment 171 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:29,680 this was going to be an interesting stay 172 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:31,360 indeed 173 00:07:35,510 --> 00:07:33,759 the doctors inn experiencing its slowest 174 00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:35,520 time of the year would fill its current 175 00:07:41,189 --> 00:07:38,400 vacancies with with our company 176 00:07:43,510 --> 00:07:41,199 greeting us upon arrival was spazzy a 177 00:07:44,710 --> 00:07:43,520 cream-colored feline with stunning black 178 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:44,720 eyes 179 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:47,120 she timidly welcomed us with nudges and 180 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:49,680 barely audible purrs 181 00:07:54,309 --> 00:07:52,720 welcoming us in the category of humans 182 00:07:56,830 --> 00:07:54,319 would be lee 183 00:08:00,070 --> 00:07:56,840 an energetic brit who flew in from 184 00:08:01,909 --> 00:08:00,080 london a bit closer to home rachel a 185 00:08:04,309 --> 00:08:01,919 young woman from the suburbs of new 186 00:08:07,110 --> 00:08:04,319 jersey also joined us 187 00:08:08,950 --> 00:08:07,120 andrea with a warm smile took our coats 188 00:08:12,869 --> 00:08:08,960 and made us feel like we just walked 189 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:14,710 besides jane and me everyone in the 190 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:16,960 house had met at an event in portland 191 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:19,840 maine in september of 2014. 192 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:22,400 the event was called experience or speak 193 00:08:25,589 --> 00:08:24,080 and it included about a dozen 194 00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:25,599 individuals from around the world 195 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:28,319 speaking about their experiences 196 00:08:33,670 --> 00:08:30,960 mike had met andrea at this event and a 197 00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:33,680 romance blossomed almost immediately 198 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:35,360 rachel hesitant to attend this 199 00:08:39,190 --> 00:08:37,120 particular event 200 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:39,200 after her friend dropped out mustered 201 00:08:42,550 --> 00:08:41,039 the courage to drive north by herself 202 00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:42,560 and attend 203 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:43,839 there she met the other three 204 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:46,720 individuals who now stood before us 205 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:49,120 lee claiming no direct experiences with 206 00:08:54,790 --> 00:08:52,720 ufos or alien presences had always been 207 00:08:57,910 --> 00:08:54,800 fascinated by the topic and had 208 00:08:59,430 --> 00:08:57,920 impulsively attended the main event 209 00:09:04,389 --> 00:08:59,440 give me a break here guys you just need 210 00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:06,070 if you're just joining us guys i'm 211 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:08,480 reading a chapter from my book called my 212 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:12,320 weekend in the woods with ufo abductees 213 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:21,509 bien says we get photos awesome 214 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:23,600 place looks spooky hilary says it was a 215 00:09:28,630 --> 00:09:25,600 little spooky i'm not gonna lie the 216 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:28,640 abandoned uh tuberculosis ward around us 217 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:30,080 was a little bit more spooky to be 218 00:09:33,670 --> 00:09:32,080 completely honest uh but we'll get to 219 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:33,680 the spooky stuff in a little bit hillary 220 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:41,030 all right oh bn asks ufo jane no 221 00:09:46,870 --> 00:09:43,920 actually bien uh with me was my partner 222 00:09:49,030 --> 00:09:46,880 in life uh jane whose name is jane as 223 00:09:51,030 --> 00:09:49,040 well um she came with me on this trip 224 00:09:53,030 --> 00:09:51,040 god bless her god bless her for coming 225 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:53,040 with me 226 00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:54,880 we arrived just as dinner was being 227 00:09:59,030 --> 00:09:56,880 prepared i was immediately put on 228 00:10:01,030 --> 00:09:59,040 preparation duty for the food 229 00:10:03,590 --> 00:10:01,040 mike wanted me to peel and mince garlic 230 00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:03,600 something i had never done before 231 00:10:07,269 --> 00:10:05,279 having just bragged about making dinner 232 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:07,279 for jane a few nights prior mike 233 00:10:12,949 --> 00:10:10,480 jokingly scoffed at my ineptitude 234 00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:12,959 i laughed a sense of ease rushing over 235 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:13,760 me 236 00:10:18,389 --> 00:10:15,120 knowing i was in the house of 237 00:10:20,230 --> 00:10:18,399 experiencers was rather intimidating but 238 00:10:22,389 --> 00:10:20,240 not knowing how to mince garlic in front 239 00:10:25,590 --> 00:10:22,399 of a seasoned cook was definitely a 240 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:25,600 modest crush to my ego 241 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:27,120 as i continued following mike's 242 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:30,160 instructions i bega excuse me i began to 243 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:32,160 realize that i wasn't an outsider 244 00:10:35,590 --> 00:10:34,480 observing these individuals as subjects 245 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:35,600 for a book 246 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:37,680 i was here as a friend and to eat 247 00:10:42,870 --> 00:10:40,320 home-cooked meals something rare in my 248 00:10:47,509 --> 00:10:42,880 daily routine of living in new york city 249 00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:49,350 as i watched mike prepare a bowl of 250 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:51,600 spices i began to remember when i had 251 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:00,550 although we previously communicated 252 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:02,880 online several times we'd yet to 253 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:04,720 converse face to face 254 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:08,000 that all changed in 2016 in phoenix 255 00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:15,509 when we met at the international ufo 256 00:11:19,190 --> 00:11:17,760 congress the largest ufo conference in 257 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:19,200 north america 258 00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:20,800 we'd spend the next week running into 259 00:11:24,949 --> 00:11:22,720 one another and having impromptu 260 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:24,959 conversations lasting late into the 261 00:11:28,310 --> 00:11:26,240 night 262 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:28,320 throughout those conversations mike's 263 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:30,720 highly viewed blog hidden experience 264 00:11:34,949 --> 00:11:32,640 would come up many times 265 00:11:37,509 --> 00:11:34,959 i'd spend many sleepless nights pouring 266 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:37,519 over this blog and it was rewarding to 267 00:11:42,949 --> 00:11:40,720 finally put a face to the words 268 00:11:45,430 --> 00:11:42,959 mike was a lifelong experiencer who 269 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:45,440 chronicled events in great detail on 270 00:11:49,030 --> 00:11:47,120 hidden experience 271 00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:49,040 he would introduce the blog on the home 272 00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:51,120 page of his website as such 273 00:11:55,350 --> 00:11:53,040 quote this was a time when i was 274 00:11:57,910 --> 00:11:55,360 swallowed up in a sort of existential 275 00:12:00,069 --> 00:11:57,920 crisis the blog originally started as a 276 00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:00,079 way for me to try and make sense of some 277 00:12:04,470 --> 00:12:02,320 weird personal experiences 278 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:04,480 i did it as a kind of sociological 279 00:12:09,190 --> 00:12:07,040 experiment i wanted to wrestle with some 280 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:09,200 challenging memories in a very public 281 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:11,680 forum but as time went on i started 282 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:13,760 adding other content things i found 283 00:12:18,310 --> 00:12:15,600 interesting or relevant to the core 284 00:12:20,470 --> 00:12:18,320 topics end quote 285 00:12:23,190 --> 00:12:20,480 the sociological experiment was indeed 286 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:23,200 working as hundreds of new readers began 287 00:12:26,550 --> 00:12:24,720 visiting the blog 288 00:12:28,550 --> 00:12:26,560 every week 289 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:28,560 and other experiencers came forward to 290 00:12:32,550 --> 00:12:30,560 tell their own stories 291 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:32,560 mike had opened the doors for many 292 00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:34,800 individuals and even found connections 293 00:12:42,389 --> 00:12:36,560 to others that would aid him in his 294 00:12:46,550 --> 00:12:44,710 one of the most one of the first entries 295 00:12:48,310 --> 00:12:46,560 i'd come across was an event that 296 00:12:51,750 --> 00:12:48,320 happened to mike when he was 12 years 297 00:12:54,629 --> 00:12:51,760 old the year was 1974 and he was living 298 00:12:56,470 --> 00:12:54,639 in a quiet suburb of detroit michigan 299 00:12:58,470 --> 00:12:56,480 after attending a football game at the 300 00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:58,480 local high school he and a friend made 301 00:13:04,470 --> 00:13:00,720 the leisurely half-mile trek home by 302 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:04,480 foot taking in the pleasant autumn air 303 00:13:07,910 --> 00:13:06,000 mike would say we were in front of a 304 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:07,920 house where an elementary school friend 305 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:13,190 and just as they passed the house a 306 00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:16,000 sudden flash of orange light lit up the 307 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:17,839 entire sky 308 00:13:21,910 --> 00:13:20,000 quote it was bold and jarring he 309 00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:21,920 remembered it felt like someone just 310 00:13:26,069 --> 00:13:24,079 flipped a switch and the sky lit up and 311 00:13:28,310 --> 00:13:26,079 then went back to normal 312 00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:28,320 as soon as it happened it was gone it 313 00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:30,800 was completely silent we were surprised 314 00:13:40,310 --> 00:13:33,040 and both responded with what just 315 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:41,910 welcome everyone's 316 00:13:45,509 --> 00:13:43,920 welcome to the chat everyone if you're 317 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:45,519 just joining us i'm reading a chapter 318 00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:48,240 from my book somewhere in the skies 319 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:51,120 we're getting to the good stuff 320 00:13:55,430 --> 00:13:53,040 mike and his friend parted ways still 321 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:55,440 shaken by the sudden flash of light 322 00:13:58,949 --> 00:13:56,880 when he finally made it home mike 323 00:14:01,110 --> 00:13:58,959 noticed something even stranger 324 00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:01,120 quote i was excited to get home and 325 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:02,880 watch a television show i really love 326 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:04,720 that started at 10 pm 327 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:06,480 i remember having left the football game 328 00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:08,160 in order to get home and plenty of time 329 00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:11,120 so i could watch the show 330 00:14:15,590 --> 00:14:13,199 but just as mike entered his home his 331 00:14:17,430 --> 00:14:15,600 parents were waiting for him upset 332 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:17,440 mike assuming he had arrived home around 333 00:14:24,069 --> 00:14:20,800 9 30 p.m was shocked when his parents 334 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:24,079 told him it was now 11 p.m 335 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:26,880 where had the last hour and a half gone 336 00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:28,720 it was as if the time had been 337 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:38,710 when mike returned to school the 338 00:14:43,110 --> 00:14:40,720 following monday he sat with a group of 339 00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:43,120 friends in the cafeteria they huddled 340 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:45,040 around him as he began to explain the 341 00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:47,920 strange burst of light he had witnessed 342 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:50,240 his friend who shared the experience 343 00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:53,440 chimed in eagerly as he joined the group 344 00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:56,480 it was a ufo with lights and everything 345 00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:00,000 the friend said mike sat confused 346 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:01,920 he thought to himself i didn't see 347 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:03,600 anything with lights 348 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,120 did he see something i hadn't 349 00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,040 mike replayed that bright flash in his 350 00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:12,240 mind the smoldering colors burned into 351 00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:13,279 his memory 352 00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:15,360 but no ufo 353 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:17,680 feeling almost a sense of jealousy that 354 00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:20,000 he hadn't witnessed a solid object mike 355 00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:22,320 remained quiet the event shimmering in 356 00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:26,480 his mind for many years to follow could 357 00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:29,519 a ufo as his friend had described been 358 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:31,519 responsible for the apparent missing 359 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,320 time mike had experienced as he stepped 360 00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:36,800 foot into his home that night 361 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,399 this would be one of the first major 362 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:40,320 events mike experience 363 00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:47,030 all right we'll keep going in a minute 364 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:48,160 here guys 365 00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:49,920 oh it's so dry into my apartment i 366 00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:58,230 thank you for joining us tonight guys if 367 00:16:01,829 --> 00:15:59,920 you're just hopping in i'm reading a 368 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:01,839 chapter from my book somewhere in the 369 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:03,440 skies a human approach to the ufo 370 00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:04,560 phenomenon 371 00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:06,720 uh you could find it in paperback ebook 372 00:16:13,269 --> 00:16:09,519 and audiobook on amazon barnes noble or 373 00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:16,150 esmeralda says missing time how classic 374 00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,839 yes very classic very very classic um it 375 00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:21,440 guys if you do want to help the show out 376 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:23,600 tonight uh you can either support us 377 00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:25,360 through our patreon campaign which the 378 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:28,639 link is below or the super chat um super 379 00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,680 stickers 380 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:31,920 are open as well um if you want to help 381 00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:33,120 the show out 382 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:35,839 every bit goes back into uh the show uh 383 00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,000 making it continue and grow so thank you 384 00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:40,959 thank you for all of your support 385 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:44,079 all right let's get back to the book 386 00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:45,600 let's see 387 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:47,839 where we left off it most certainly was 388 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:51,120 not mike's last experience 389 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:52,720 so i thought maybe after dinner we'd all 390 00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:55,360 sit by the fire and share some stories 391 00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,759 mike could snap me back into uh 392 00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,680 real time here placing a few items of 393 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,360 food in the oven 394 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,360 my mind returned to the kitchen to smell 395 00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,520 of fresh spices hitting me 396 00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,360 a burst of laughter from the living room 397 00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,959 filled the cabin 398 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,199 things were turning light as lee entered 399 00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:12,959 the kitchen having hit the punch line of 400 00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:15,439 a joke mike and i had clearly missed out 401 00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:16,160 on 402 00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:21,199 he handed us both a cup heading back 403 00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:23,439 into the living room to entertain an 404 00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:26,240 attentive crowd 405 00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:28,079 i could faintly hear jane in the other 406 00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,880 room her warm familiar laugh assuring me 407 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:32,559 she was opening up to this group of 408 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,240 people 409 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,240 months earlier she had agreed to be the 410 00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:38,720 editor for my book i had read several 411 00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,880 sociological papers she'd written and 412 00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:42,320 was impressed with her attention to 413 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:45,120 detail expensive insight and solid grasp 414 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:47,520 of grammar this besides her 415 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:50,000 unconditional support compelled me to 416 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:51,760 invite her to this weekend getaway with 417 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:53,600 mike in the group 418 00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:56,240 being very interested in the ufo topic 419 00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:58,400 jane was also curious what the aftermath 420 00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,600 held for those who'd had experiences 421 00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,679 so it made perfect sense to invite her 422 00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,840 along not only as my partner but to 423 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,919 glimpse into the everyday lives of these 424 00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:09,840 seemingly normal people with 425 00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:16,390 as mike moved a heaping pile of noodles 426 00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,280 from colander to pot i could see spazzy 427 00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,799 creeping her head around the corner of 428 00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:22,400 the dining room 429 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:25,360 there's fazzy that's spazzy the actual 430 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:26,640 cat 431 00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,520 oh she was so cute 432 00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:31,600 her nose and eyes shot up looking at me 433 00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:34,160 with a sense of urgency the activity in 434 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:35,919 the house was clearly more than she was 435 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:38,160 used to she stayed in the doorway her 436 00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,720 deep orbital eyes bouncing my reflection 437 00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:43,600 back at me i stared at her for a moment 438 00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:45,919 those eyes reminded me of another 439 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:48,400 experience mike once detailed in his 440 00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:55,510 it was february of 1993. mike was now 31 441 00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,240 years old and living in royal maine as 442 00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,640 he lay in bed that winter evening a 443 00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:02,400 bright light began to illuminate his 444 00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,840 bedroom window 445 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:05,840 this wasn't that uncommon for the mere 446 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,840 fact that a motion sensor light had been 447 00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:09,760 set up to catch any sudden movement 448 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,600 approaching the house 449 00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:13,840 the most common culprits were cars 450 00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,240 passing by or the occasional deer 451 00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:18,720 wandering off the beaten path 452 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:20,640 mike fully aware of the extreme 453 00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,720 sensitivity of the motion light did not 454 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,960 think much of it but as he propped 455 00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:26,880 himself up and looked out the window it 456 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:29,280 was clear that this wasn't the sensor 457 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:33,600 light and it most definitely wasn't deer 458 00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:36,960 backlit by a small unknown light source 459 00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:39,679 five small figures stood on top of the 460 00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:40,640 snow 461 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,559 walking toward the house 462 00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:45,280 these figures in mike's own words were 463 00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:48,080 quote spindly entities that had very 464 00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,799 skinny bodies and big black eyes end 465 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,960 quote 466 00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,120 the entities drew closer 467 00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:57,039 one would assume that in this situation 468 00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,600 he might hop out of bed attempt to call 469 00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,919 for help or even approach the possible 470 00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:02,880 threat 471 00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:05,840 but his actual response surprised even 472 00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:06,799 mike 473 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:07,679 quote 474 00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:10,480 i nonchalantly laid my head down on the 475 00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:13,919 pillow and promptly fell back asleep 476 00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:17,679 i felt absolutely empty of emotion 477 00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,799 end quote 478 00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:22,640 it was almost as if mike had somehow 479 00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,240 control had been somehow controlled like 480 00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:28,880 oh yes they're here let's just shut down 481 00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:35,430 so while his first experiences were 482 00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,400 undoubtedly steeped in reality mike 483 00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:40,480 struggled for some time with this memory 484 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,000 of 1993 and the entities on the lawn 485 00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:46,080 according to him it all could have just 486 00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,679 been a dream but one that seemed all too 487 00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,280 real 488 00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:53,360 mike would say quote i saw something but 489 00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:56,400 at the same time i truly do not know if 490 00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,679 it happened in this reality 491 00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,919 that may sound hard to grasp but it is 492 00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,159 the only way i can honestly depict the 493 00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,280 experience end quote 494 00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,280 this sense of a dreamlike state was 495 00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:11,520 eerily similar to many other stories i 496 00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:12,720 had heard 497 00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,280 in researching my book 498 00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,120 mike would awake the next morning 499 00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,760 remembering the experience vividly but 500 00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,840 unable to shake the feeling that 501 00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,600 whatever had happened it was leading 502 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:25,600 down a road that he couldn't seem to 503 00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,549 hillary says too bad he didn't have 504 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,039 security cameras yeah right could you 505 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,440 imagine if we got those five greys on 506 00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,640 camera 507 00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,080 uh 508 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,760 i just i don't know what to make of this 509 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,400 guys this is a little aside um 510 00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,400 this idea of like seeing them and then 511 00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,039 being like okay go back to bed i've 512 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,720 heard this in many other stories as well 513 00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:53,280 people who saw ufos and had some sort of 514 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,640 uh like 515 00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,000 almost like 516 00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:58,000 i don't know switch flipping them or 517 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,630 very very odd 518 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,870 anyways let's get back to it here 519 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:13,190 let's see let's see 520 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,029 once again mike broke me out of this 521 00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:21,360 days of remembering his stories from his 522 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,400 blog 523 00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,320 he would say to me quote maybe tomorrow 524 00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,320 you and jane can head down to lake 525 00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,640 placid we'll give you the car 526 00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,799 i snap back to my current reality a 527 00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,960 delicious aroma in the room hitting me 528 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,159 all at once 529 00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,720 dinner was almost ready i smiled and 530 00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,679 nodded seeing spazzy's tail sweep along 531 00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,679 the door frame as she disappeared from 532 00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,960 sight 533 00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:45,120 mike headed into the dining room to help 534 00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,480 set up the table 535 00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,559 i trailed behind for a moment now 536 00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,559 noticing the bright glare of the ceiling 537 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,640 light shining down on me 538 00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,120 i stared into it remembering one of the 539 00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,080 most intriguing of mike's experiences to 540 00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,110 mind control esmeralda says yeah it's 541 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:04,880 possible 542 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:11,990 here's mike's next experience 543 00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:14,960 it was may of 2010 mike was now living 544 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,159 in idaho a close friend of his natasha 545 00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,080 flew in from germany to explore the 546 00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:22,320 beautiful canyons and sandstone of the 547 00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:29,190 in colorado is that right 548 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,720 yes i've read that wrong excuse me guys 549 00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,799 mike was living in colorado there we go 550 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,720 he would meet up with her to join in on 551 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,880 a two-week camping trip late into the 552 00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,960 trip the brakes on mike's car began to 553 00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,000 give out 554 00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,760 fearing danger they would find 555 00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,000 themselves in an auto repair shop in the 556 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:48,320 small town of cortez 557 00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,440 they learned 558 00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,919 that it would be a few days before the 559 00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,919 proper parts could be shipped 560 00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:55,919 this prompted mike and natasha to spend 561 00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,159 the night camping in a nearby town of 562 00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,080 dolores 563 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,480 quote we chose a secluded spot with an 564 00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,320 old fire ring and some broken beer 565 00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,039 bottles perfect for our camping needs 566 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,120 mike called in his blog 567 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,960 they pitched their tent crawled into 568 00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,520 their sleeping bags and soon drifted off 569 00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,110 it was the dead of night that mike was 570 00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,520 abruptly awakened by a harsh shriek 571 00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,679 coming from natasha 572 00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:25,919 quote my instantaneous response was to 573 00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,880 bolt upright and scream within intensity 574 00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,120 that would be hard to describe 575 00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:33,520 i was screaming in fear sure enough but 576 00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,360 it was also a primal outburst of defense 577 00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,039 end quote 578 00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,440 mike switched on the headlamp above him 579 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:43,440 immediately asking natasha what had 580 00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,640 happened 581 00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,279 she couldn't respond frozen in an 582 00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,120 upright position 583 00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,279 tell me the first thing that comes to 584 00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:53,120 mind 585 00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,080 uh 586 00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,240 sorry i've lost my spot guys tell me the 587 00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,000 first thing that comes to your mind 588 00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,080 don't think just tell me what happened 589 00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,320 mike said to her she looked at him 590 00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,520 wide-eyed and answered with trepidation 591 00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,279 natasha told him 592 00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,919 i saw a face 593 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,679 panic welding him 594 00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,600 what mike said next 595 00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,480 was completely unlike him look if we 596 00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,039 need to we can just leave right now we 597 00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,520 can leave the tent set up and just drive 598 00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,400 to town and get a hotel 599 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,799 natasha looked at mike desperation 600 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,480 following her words 601 00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,440 do you believe in evil ghosts she asked 602 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,559 no mike responded more out of an urge to 603 00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,240 comfort sheer 604 00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,640 of comfort than sheer honesty 605 00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,640 he moved a bit closer putting an arm 606 00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,760 around her 607 00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,679 they lay in the tent they're breathing 608 00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:45,919 slowly returning to normal 609 00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,480 i ended up chanting a repetitive mantra 610 00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:50,880 in my head mike remembered love and 611 00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,720 light love and light love and light 612 00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,039 their close proximity to one another was 613 00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,600 all they had as they both finally fell 614 00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:02,000 asleep hoping that the night would soon 615 00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:03,279 be over 616 00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,830 late that same night i had a vivid dream 617 00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:12,320 mike explained it took place inside the 618 00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,840 same tent with no dreamlike distortion 619 00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,080 it was curiously void of any emotion 620 00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,919 good or bad 621 00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,600 what mike saw in the dream would leave 622 00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,360 him completely at odds with what was 623 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,600 real and what wasn't 624 00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,640 quote i saw a big round mandala figure 625 00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,880 up to my left situated in a very 626 00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,120 specific point in the tent 627 00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,279 it was a simple circle about the size of 628 00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,840 a large pizza with a lone dot on its 629 00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,279 center 630 00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,679 as mike took stock of what he was seeing 631 00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,559 something strange began to happen 632 00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:47,679 quote i was floating up off the floor of 633 00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,240 the tent 634 00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,799 the elevator up sensation of slowly 635 00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,679 rising i thought to myself i need to 636 00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,320 remember this i need to remember this 637 00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,320 as the sensation of floating upward 638 00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,640 continued mike recalled something else 639 00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,279 rather vivid about the dream quote the 640 00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,360 environment of the tent changed to a 641 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,000 backdrop of white light i thought 642 00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,240 am i on a table 643 00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,559 i didn't understand where i was 644 00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:17,360 it was mysterious some weird realm with 645 00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,029 the dream abruptly ended when mike heard 646 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,679 natasha's voice she nonchalantly 647 00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,720 remarked 648 00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:29,760 mike 649 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,880 you are floating 650 00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,440 though the words were clear whether he 651 00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,320 she had said this in reality or merely 652 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,240 in the dream was another point of 653 00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:42,960 contention in mike's recollection 654 00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,279 no matter the case those words seem to 655 00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:47,600 pull mike back down to the ground both 656 00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,799 in the dream and in the tent 657 00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,880 upon waking up the next morning mike and 658 00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:55,039 natasha immediately began to try to make 659 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,269 quote i saw a face within a circle 660 00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,120 natasha told mike 661 00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,960 the circle she went on to explain was 662 00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,360 strikingly similar to the mandala image 663 00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:09,840 mike had seen in the dream 664 00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:12,960 this was very curious mike commented she 665 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,279 didn't know about my dream yet 666 00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,840 i asked where the face was positioned 667 00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:19,679 at the time i assumed it was directly 668 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,960 over her centered above her face 669 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,760 but natasha broke that assumption 670 00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,760 pointing up and off to her left in the 671 00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,799 tent 672 00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,440 it was exactly where i saw the glowing 673 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,880 circle in my dream mike explained 674 00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,240 the two would spend the morning 675 00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,559 discussing the entire event trying to 676 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:43,669 what might have actually happened is 677 00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,720 very difficult to say mike told me 678 00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,640 i cannot dismiss the immense fear that 679 00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,120 overcame both of us this feeling of 680 00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,600 terror was entirely different than any 681 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:56,080 emotion i had ever experienced amplified 682 00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,520 in a way that seems 683 00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:59,520 extraordinary 684 00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,320 the nature of mike's dream vivid in ways 685 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:04,640 he couldn't fully put into words was 686 00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:07,760 strikingly similar to natasha's reaction 687 00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:10,640 when she saw the face in the tent 688 00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,310 all right 689 00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,520 take a little water break here guys 690 00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:22,080 i hope you're enjoying this 691 00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,389 mark thanks so much for being here man 692 00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:32,480 thanks for the super sticker 693 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,669 what do we got next all right 694 00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,240 all right here we go guys 695 00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,120 dinner's ready mike proclaimed oh us all 696 00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,520 we took our seats at the table 697 00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,520 the rest of the group joined us we 698 00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,279 opened a bottle of wine passed around 699 00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,279 various plates of food and drifted in 700 00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,799 and out of one another's various 701 00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,559 conversations 702 00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,720 i couldn't help but veer my attention 703 00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,240 toward rachel 704 00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,559 she'd been noticeably quiet the entire 705 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,120 night and my curiosity got the best of 706 00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,600 me i impulsively interrupted the 707 00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,279 conversation 708 00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:13,760 rachel would you be comfortable sharing 709 00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,720 your experience with us i asked 710 00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,440 she sighed and finally spoke 711 00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:21,360 the first experience i can remember was 712 00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,799 when i was a child she said 713 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:27,039 for the next half hour rachel opened up 714 00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,880 to us about her startling experiences 715 00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,120 while not being able to record or take 716 00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,520 notes in that moment i asked her to 717 00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,520 convey these experiences through email 718 00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:39,919 correspondence a few weeks later she 719 00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,950 like many young children rachel found 720 00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,200 herself afraid of the dark she would 721 00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,880 often sleep on the floor of her parents 722 00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,919 bedroom 723 00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,520 they didn't mind much knowing that she 724 00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,760 would outgrow the fear 725 00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,360 but it was in the wake of her first 726 00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,679 experience that that fear would not only 727 00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,720 remain but intensify 728 00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:04,159 it was in the middle of the night when 729 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,519 she awoke her heart pounding she sensed 730 00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,200 something in the room 731 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,200 she could faintly see something peeking 732 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,880 out from the side of her father's 733 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,320 dresser 734 00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:16,640 as she lay on the floor she could feel 735 00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:20,080 something lightly tugging at her legs 736 00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,080 frozen with terror she soon blacked out 737 00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,840 she awoke in the morning assuming it was 738 00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:28,159 all some horrible nightmare that would 739 00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,120 fade 740 00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:32,399 but whatever it was 741 00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,120 she saw and felt was making an extremely 742 00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:40,240 uncomfortable home within her dreams and 743 00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,509 rachel will tell us on another occasion 744 00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,519 while sleeping in the same room i had an 745 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,679 episode of paralysis where i was 746 00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,320 struggling to get a grip on it 747 00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,840 i could sense something in the room 748 00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,320 again and try desperately to get my 749 00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,960 parents attention to no avail 750 00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,960 rachel awoke the next morning and 751 00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,679 confronted her father in a fit of anger 752 00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,320 wondering why he hadn't done anything if 753 00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,399 he'd heard her panicking from this 754 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,720 apparent reoccurring nightmare 755 00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:17,679 he told her that he didn't do anything 756 00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,909 quote i was shocked she remembered 757 00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,799 feeling 758 00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:27,039 i couldn't believe he said that and i 759 00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:28,399 certainly couldn't even wrap my head 760 00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,919 around my father telling me he was 761 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,840 afraid of anything let alone 762 00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,320 acknowledging that what was happening 763 00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,230 whatever that reality was it was deeply 764 00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,279 affecting rachel in ways she was yet to 765 00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,039 fully understand 766 00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,799 was this merely a spell of sleep 767 00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,200 paralysis night terrors 768 00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,760 she struggled with these notions 769 00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,240 at that point she says i think i was 770 00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,919 still trying to explain it away is 771 00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,559 dreams really bad dreams 772 00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,799 you try so hard to hold on to the idea 773 00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,000 of this and 774 00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,080 of it all not being real chalking it up 775 00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,240 to having some serious phobias thinking 776 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,159 you're crazy is almost more comforting 777 00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:10,960 than believing there are aliens in a 778 00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,669 the thought that an unknown and possibly 779 00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,480 non-human intelligence was visiting her 780 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,559 in the night was something she wrestled 781 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,640 with on a daily basis 782 00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,640 would this be the night it would happen 783 00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:27,840 again 784 00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,080 intrusion 785 00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:34,640 unfortunately for rachel things only 786 00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,149 quote it was in my pre-teen years that i 787 00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,799 would wake up with twigs and leaves in 788 00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,120 my bed sheets she explained 789 00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,120 though she had no recollection of ever 790 00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,720 leaving or 791 00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,960 being outside 792 00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,559 quote my father once accused me of 793 00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,640 sneaking out at night i thought that it 794 00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,480 was completely ridiculous being that i 795 00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,039 couldn't even look out of the windows to 796 00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,200 see if it was dark at night 797 00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,519 it was in these years that the visits in 798 00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,919 both her parents room and her own seemed 799 00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,440 to be most frequent 800 00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,040 she would wake from the paralyzing 801 00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,359 feeling time and time again 802 00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,280 these bouts with what she believed to be 803 00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:15,679 sleep paralysis left her suffering 804 00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,399 extreme insomnia afraid that there was 805 00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:21,040 much more to the experiences than met 806 00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,240 the eye 807 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,879 quote i would try to stay up all night 808 00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:27,200 reading and usually fall asleep when the 809 00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:30,320 sun came up honestly i don't know how i 810 00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,109 as time progressed rachel tirelessly 811 00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,800 fought with the mysterious presence that 812 00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,040 creeped in and out of her life 813 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,599 she would try so hard to ignore it but 814 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,040 it seemed to always thrive on the 815 00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,399 periphery almost begging to be seen 816 00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:52,879 one night she woke up to the tail end of 817 00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,159 a bright white light consuming the room 818 00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,160 she felt like she was floating above her 819 00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,520 own body 820 00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,359 the white light lingered for just a 821 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,359 moment longer and then blinked out 822 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:04,880 completely 823 00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,280 snippets of small figures would pass by 824 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,520 her vision for years to come 825 00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:12,480 which turned the fear somewhat normal 826 00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:19,990 rachel was now 30 and living in the 827 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,800 outskirts of new jersey it was a farming 828 00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,880 community she remembered with a lot of 829 00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,359 open space i lived on the side of an 830 00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,119 interstate which gives me completely 831 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,680 false sense of security i hear the cars 832 00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,599 and trucks passing by at night and i'm 833 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,320 comforted by the noise 834 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,680 end quote 835 00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,680 although the ambient noise comforted her 836 00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,839 when she slept it didn't stop the 837 00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,400 experiences from occurring 838 00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,640 quote i have woken up to what i thought 839 00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:48,800 was a shoulder turning into the wall in 840 00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,710 rachel continued with another experience 841 00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:58,720 quote another time i woke up on the 842 00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,000 couch in a very dreamy sleepy like state 843 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,560 with one of my cats being shoved into my 844 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,680 face so i couldn't see around her 845 00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,160 what i saw was the very top of a 846 00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,400 hairless head that's it 847 00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:14,000 i can't remember if i was awake from 848 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:20,630 these are so creepy 849 00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,470 if you're just joining us guys i'm 850 00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,400 reading from my book somewhere in the 851 00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,240 skies a human approach to the ufo 852 00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,000 phenomenon 853 00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,920 this is a chapter titled my weekend in 854 00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,400 the woods with the ufo abductees let's 855 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,200 get back to rachel 856 00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:45,119 oh and also super chat and super 857 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,640 stickers are open guys if you want to 858 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,800 help out the show tonight all 859 00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,800 contributions go back to making the show 860 00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,440 bigger and better for you so we really 861 00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:54,960 do appreciate that here at somewhere in 862 00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,109 all right 863 00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,800 perhaps one of the most disturbing 864 00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,880 experiences that rachel recalled was 865 00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,960 when she was lying in bed one night and 866 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,520 could sense something underneath her bed 867 00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,000 quote i could feel a pair of hands reach 868 00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,240 out from underneath me and then having 869 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,520 the hands inside my body moving my 870 00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,320 organs around end quote 871 00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,640 when i asked rachel why she felt this 872 00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,280 was occurring she stated quote i believe 873 00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,760 they wanted to get something from me 874 00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,760 end quote 875 00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:32,400 what that was rachel was not entirely 876 00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,520 sure 877 00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,520 she also felt an extreme sense of fear 878 00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,440 before each experience 879 00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,000 quote it's like a wall of force that is 880 00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,000 pushing against you as you're pushing 881 00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,400 back to remain with it when all you want 882 00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,800 to do is just [\h__\h] rail against it 883 00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,560 and lose your [\h__\h] 884 00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,960 end quote 885 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,880 whatever was happening to rachel it was 886 00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,200 clear that it was severely affecting her 887 00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,640 everyday life 888 00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,560 the constant feeling of something just 889 00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,400 around the corner or in the dark 890 00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,960 watching her its motives ominously 891 00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,920 unclear would make anyone feel at least 892 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,839 a bit paranoid 893 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,240 even worse was not knowing exactly what 894 00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,800 it was or what it wanted 895 00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,599 all she knew was that it was hiding in 896 00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,000 the night waiting for its moment to 897 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,880 sneak into her dreams and possibly into 898 00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,440 her reality 899 00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,119 whatever this truly was 900 00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,720 one thing was clear 901 00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,720 rachel was scared 902 00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,960 and that fear was slowly eating away at 903 00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,359 her and as we sat at the table that 904 00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,839 night and listened to her tell her story 905 00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,400 tears began to run down her cheeks a 906 00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,720 slight tremble in her hand as her 907 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,520 fingernails tap the tabletop 908 00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,000 i looked at mike whose gaze was so 909 00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,720 intent on rachel that it was clear he 910 00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,680 too had known these feelings of fear and 911 00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,160 helplessness before 912 00:39:06,230 --> 00:38:56,240 we all sat in silence with nods of 913 00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,670 esmeralda says this is so entertaining 914 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:11,520 thank you trying 915 00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,310 the long day of traveling and the flood 916 00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:22,240 of stories being shared was taking its 917 00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,160 toll on my tired mind 918 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:26,079 we moved to the living room drinking tea 919 00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:27,760 around the fireplace making lighter 920 00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,880 conversation to cap the night off 921 00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:32,640 jane and i found ourselves saying good 922 00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,870 i awoke to the sound of tapping 923 00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,520 it almost sounded identical to that of 924 00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,599 rachel's fingernails on the dining room 925 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,880 table 926 00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:49,200 but this was behind me 927 00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,270 this was the room that jane and i stayed 928 00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,200 in guys 929 00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,520 so you'll see that window those two 930 00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,760 windows actually in the corner there um 931 00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,680 the larger bed that's where we were 932 00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,520 sleeping in this room 933 00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:07,359 in the cabin 934 00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:11,280 bed and breakfast and in the doctor's 935 00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:12,000 inn 936 00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,960 um 937 00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,119 so at night those all of those curtains 938 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,839 were drawn completely shut 939 00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:19,680 just so you know 940 00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:25,990 on the window 941 00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,160 room we were on the second floor of the 942 00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,800 house though what could possibly be 943 00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,400 tapping 944 00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,119 a tree branch a heavy snowfall 945 00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,160 whatever it was it awoke me abruptly 946 00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,880 i glanced over a jane who was usually a 947 00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,640 light sleeper 948 00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,560 but in this moment 949 00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,640 of sheer panic that i couldn't fully 950 00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,760 describe 951 00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,480 i watched her sleep deeper than i'd ever 952 00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,240 seen before 953 00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,720 my eyes shot to the window 954 00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,040 and as i tried to sit up something 955 00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,760 stopped me from looking out the window 956 00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,480 i felt paralyzed with fear 957 00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,720 my eyes moved to the closed door of the 958 00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,920 bedroom 959 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,319 a shadow moved past the faint light that 960 00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:12,480 poured in from underneath 961 00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,319 something was definitely behind the door 962 00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,119 jane i inquired in a whimper 963 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,800 no answer 964 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,720 i looked under the door again 965 00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,800 the light remained but no bouncing 966 00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,240 shadows 967 00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,560 the tapping creeped in again on the 968 00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,000 window 969 00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,400 i had listened to the stories from mike 970 00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,440 rachel and so many others yet i'd always 971 00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,280 shied away from the possibility that 972 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:38,720 anything like what it they had 973 00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,440 experienced could happen to jain in me 974 00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:45,920 but as i sat straight up in that bed 975 00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,800 staring into the darkness my mind began 976 00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,440 to swirl with what could be outside that 977 00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:52,880 window 978 00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,079 i could feel sweat dripping from my brow 979 00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,440 i felt alone in the universe everything 980 00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:01,200 closing in on me 981 00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:04,319 whatever was outside that window i knew 982 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:18,460 water break 983 00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:21,670 [Music] 984 00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:24,069 how is this guys do you like this 985 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,950 finally i gathered a shred of courage 986 00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,720 battling with the possibility that by 987 00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,800 pulling the curtain aside and looking 988 00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,440 beyond the glass i might stare into the 989 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:44,079 eyes of something i didn't want to 990 00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,440 accept 991 00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,200 perhaps it would be 992 00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,319 an extension of a dome-shaped craft or a 993 00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,560 triangular formation 994 00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:54,720 perhaps a swirling ball of energy or 995 00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,520 worse it could be the fingertips of a 996 00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,800 being or a pale grey of some sort it's 997 00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:03,599 black eyes staring back at me 998 00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,200 whatever it was i wanted to know 999 00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,240 i needed to know for my own sake and 1000 00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,040 perhaps even my own sanity 1001 00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:15,200 it was in that moment that a small part 1002 00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,560 of me felt a deep connection to rachel 1003 00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,200 that fear of the unknown 1004 00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:23,280 whatever lurked in the shadows didn't 1005 00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,119 care what i felt or how i'd react 1006 00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,680 it would just happen and i'd have no 1007 00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,599 control over it 1008 00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,079 my sweaty palm moved toward the curtain 1009 00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:36,960 and slowly pulled it aside 1010 00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:41,760 i peered hesitantly through the window 1011 00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,069 a sense of relief flooded over me 1012 00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,880 i let out an audible sigh which woke 1013 00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,119 jane up finally 1014 00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,520 she turned toward me and whispered 1015 00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,480 is everything okay 1016 00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:00,880 i didn't know how to answer 1017 00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,319 i let the curtain fall and sat silent 1018 00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:05,920 was i okay 1019 00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,520 was this all a figment of my imagination 1020 00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,000 all i knew was that i never felt such 1021 00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,640 intense fear in my life 1022 00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,119 i simply nodded to jane rolled on my 1023 00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,359 side away from the window and stared at 1024 00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,400 her as she fell back asleep 1025 00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,280 i longed for that state and tried with 1026 00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,680 all my might to fall asleep awaiting the 1027 00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,079 bright morning ahead more than ever 1028 00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,599 before 1029 00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:34,240 it was around 3 am that i finally 1030 00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:45,349 we awoke the next morning to a fantastic 1031 00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,400 breakfast 1032 00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,560 as i sipped my morning coffee i saw 1033 00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:50,880 spazzy peeking out from beyond a plotted 1034 00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,599 uh beyond a potted plant 1035 00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,440 her eyes were as deep as the night 1036 00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,680 before though she looked at me with 1037 00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,560 comfort she clearly had warmed up to us 1038 00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,040 as guests and my severe allergies to 1039 00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:05,359 cats seemed to stay at bay for the time 1040 00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,640 being 1041 00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:08,960 a pair of keys suddenly hit the table 1042 00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,079 next to me mike made good on his promise 1043 00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,839 letting us borrow his car for the 1044 00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,119 afternoon 1045 00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:18,240 he suggested we head to lake placid once 1046 00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,760 home to the 1980 winter olympics 1047 00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,319 i graciously accepted the offer wanting 1048 00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,640 to shake whatever had happened in the 1049 00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,200 bedroom the night before with some local 1050 00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,440 sightseeing 1051 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,520 jane and i arrived at lake placid to an 1052 00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:35,760 array of local shops boasting hot 1053 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,280 chocolate maple fudge and cider donuts 1054 00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,040 we absorbed the beautiful landscape 1055 00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,760 around us as young children skated and 1056 00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,560 played hockey on the frozen water 1057 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,040 jane spotted a truck that had that held 1058 00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,680 several snow dogs in its bed 1059 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,839 i watched her beam as she tried to pet 1060 00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:54,720 them 1061 00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,520 i felt a warmth from her excitement both 1062 00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,119 something deep down in the pit of my 1063 00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:00,880 stomach wouldn't let the fear of the 1064 00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,829 i kept getting flashes of something 1065 00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,720 outside the window and the shadows 1066 00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,200 moving under the door 1067 00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:14,960 we headed toward the lake as i pushed 1068 00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,270 we found ourselves walking straight 1069 00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,760 under the water a flurry of soft snow 1070 00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,480 brushing past us in every direction 1071 00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,319 it brought me back to the many winters 1072 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:30,720 growing up in syracuse new york where 1073 00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,760 snowfall would often reach my chest 1074 00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,760 it also brought back memories of more 1075 00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,079 innocent times in my life as i caught 1076 00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,160 sight of the children sliding across the 1077 00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,960 ice with their used and tattered hockey 1078 00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,000 sticks 1079 00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,480 i felt a huge sense of gratitude and 1080 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,040 fortune for friends like mike andrea 1081 00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,119 rachel and lee 1082 00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,960 not only had mike and andrea given us 1083 00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,440 the car for the day but they had invited 1084 00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,480 us into their home to hear their stories 1085 00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,960 it was in that moment when the darkness 1086 00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,440 of the night before began to dissipate 1087 00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,200 once and for all 1088 00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,359 as i watched jane climb a large mountain 1089 00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:10,319 of snow that collected on the ice i felt 1090 00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,359 a calming sensation rush over me 1091 00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,520 and that's when i realized that whatever 1092 00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:18,400 was outside the window that night 1093 00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,190 day slowly turned to night as we headed 1094 00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,119 back to the doctor's inn for dinner with 1095 00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,640 a special guest 1096 00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,119 tom a close friend of mike and andrea 1097 00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,720 joined our group 1098 00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,280 tom as we learned was from a nearby area 1099 00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,119 known as tupper lake 1100 00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:41,119 there was also something rather unique 1101 00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,319 about him he was a practicing shaman 1102 00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,720 having never met a shaman in person 1103 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,599 i wasn't exactly sure what to expect but 1104 00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,280 i can honestly say that tom wasn't it 1105 00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,040 he had the grizzled yet well-groomed 1106 00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,680 look of a professional woodsman topped 1107 00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,839 off with a healthy white beard and 1108 00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,160 tattoos wrapped intricately around his 1109 00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,920 forearms 1110 00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,319 he reminded me more of a biker than a 1111 00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,880 spiritual practitioner who used altered 1112 00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,880 states of consciousness to interact with 1113 00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,119 the spirit world but the weekend had 1114 00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:15,359 surely opened my mind already and i 1115 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,790 oh thanks guys 1116 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,230 appreciate the very kind words 1117 00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,910 just as with the night prior 1118 00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,720 conversations ran the gamut as lee jane 1119 00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,640 and i listened intently to tom explain 1120 00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,720 his work as a shaman i could see a 1121 00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,280 troubled look on rachel's face she 1122 00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,000 appeared tired when prompted she 1123 00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,160 admitted to us that she had a really 1124 00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:47,760 tough time falling asleep the night 1125 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,640 before 1126 00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,400 sensing that the beings were still 1127 00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,960 visiting her even on this weekend 1128 00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,240 retreat 1129 00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:56,720 that is when she asked tom something i'd 1130 00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,680 heard many other experiencers ask 1131 00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,160 how do i stop these experiences from 1132 00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:07,270 and we'll get his answer in just a 1133 00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,950 i felt it inappropriate to record tom's 1134 00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,200 answers that night 1135 00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,200 rachel's emotional and vulnerable state 1136 00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,359 was palpable it was clear that this 1137 00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,480 moment was for her and her alone but i 1138 00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,960 contacted tom several weeks later to ask 1139 00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,280 him what he recalled from that night and 1140 00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:35,280 to again relate the vital information he 1141 00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,349 i asked tom about what he believed was 1142 00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:43,680 happening to rachel according to her 1143 00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,160 descriptions of the beings she witnessed 1144 00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,920 and the fearful experiences she 1145 00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,760 continued to endure 1146 00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,480 he stated the following on the beings 1147 00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,440 quote in my opinion the aliens are 1148 00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,160 entities from other worlds sharing the 1149 00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,319 shamanic worlds with us 1150 00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,800 i think the shamanic worlds are possibly 1151 00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,640 community property 1152 00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,960 accessed by several different physically 1153 00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,119 manifested energies 1154 00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,280 it's not uncommon to encounter other 1155 00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,000 life forms in the shamanic worlds it's a 1156 00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,280 richly inhabited environment so crossing 1157 00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:19,760 paths with quote aliens has a high 1158 00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,470 thanks so much metal hendricks 1159 00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,960 appreciate the super chat 1160 00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,119 do these pictures 1161 00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,960 and these stories to another take this 1162 00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,000 to another 1163 00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:33,920 level i'm hooked i'm glad to experience 1164 00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:37,359 this live great job thank you 1165 00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:41,040 really really appreciate that 1166 00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,960 but what did tom believe was the true 1167 00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,040 nature of these specific beings that 1168 00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,280 rachel briefly encountered what about 1169 00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,000 their presence scared her so much 1170 00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,599 tom would tell me quote 1171 00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:54,319 all of us have guides around us working 1172 00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,760 for our good and observing our lives 1173 00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,839 the guides interact with people open to 1174 00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,160 seeing them but they also interact with 1175 00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,040 people only partially open to them 1176 00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,000 this makes for interesting interactions 1177 00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:10,640 if a guy gets insistent with guidance if 1178 00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:13,599 it refuses to not be seen and continues 1179 00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,160 to be a presence impossible to ignore 1180 00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,160 the consciousness will frame it in 1181 00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,040 something familiar when expressing it 1182 00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,280 if we are fearful at the time then the 1183 00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,680 expression will probably be fearful in 1184 00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,760 its interpretation 1185 00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,160 i feel rachel's guides are trying to get 1186 00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:32,079 her attention over something important 1187 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,040 to her 1188 00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:34,720 and they keep coming back because they 1189 00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,400 have failed to deliver that message 1190 00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,480 end quote 1191 00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,119 what this message was rachel was not 1192 00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:45,280 quite sure as it never seemed to come 1193 00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:46,480 through in a way that she could 1194 00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,119 comprehend or accept 1195 00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,440 was it as tom had mentioned clouded by 1196 00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,599 the immense fear the experiences often 1197 00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,119 harbored 1198 00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,520 tom explained why this is so often the 1199 00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,160 case with many who have had experiences 1200 00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:05,910 quote my thoughts on abductions is that 1201 00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,880 some not all but certainly some are 1202 00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,359 people slipping into shamanic journeys 1203 00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:13,359 without training unaware they are 1204 00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,480 journeying 1205 00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,160 they find themselves in a place 1206 00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,400 unfamiliar and the consciousness of the 1207 00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,319 individual tries to frame the new 1208 00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,720 experience into familiar forms such as 1209 00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,240 nightmares or 1210 00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,839 abductions 1211 00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,680 walking shamanic worlds without any 1212 00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,720 training can be daunting and scary 1213 00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,280 fear does strange things to us and we 1214 00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:35,599 often respond with fear when things are 1215 00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:41,829 that's not unknown that's an ambulance 1216 00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,390 the entities one sees in the shamanic 1217 00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,200 worlds are rarely in human form 1218 00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:53,839 what one runs across is often bizarre or 1219 00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,559 strange looking to us rather than find 1220 00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:58,880 out what the entity wants or 1221 00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,680 is 1222 00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:01,440 we draw away in a wake with a 1223 00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,359 fear-filled experience of an alien 1224 00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,680 and while tom's observations may or may 1225 00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,839 not have shed some glimmering light on 1226 00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,000 what rachel had been dealing with it 1227 00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,640 didn't fully put her at ease it only 1228 00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,040 opened the door to more questions 1229 00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:19,920 how does one keep a level head and begin 1230 00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,960 to alleviate this constant fear 1231 00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:25,040 tom's response to this question struck 1232 00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,400 me most 1233 00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,240 and by the look on rachel's face that 1234 00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:30,480 night it seemed like it had reached her 1235 00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,309 tom would say 1236 00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,800 all experiences are different and all 1237 00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,800 solutions are different 1238 00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:42,720 some people come ready to let go of the 1239 00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,520 event while others have it so immersed 1240 00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,200 in their being that it becomes a part of 1241 00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:49,760 their identity a feeling that by letting 1242 00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,720 it go they will lose themselves 1243 00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,720 every instance will have emotions 1244 00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,839 attached to it raw and fresh easily 1245 00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,760 feeling like it will overpower the 1246 00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,200 individual 1247 00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,359 we think we have a finite ability to 1248 00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,480 embrace emotions but the reality is that 1249 00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:08,640 we have the ability to embrace emotions 1250 00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,760 far deeper than we usually do 1251 00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,079 fear holds us back 1252 00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:17,040 in that feeling lies our humanity and 1253 00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,040 our reason to be here 1254 00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,359 these experiences are opportunities for 1255 00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:24,640 ex for each of us to move into a new way 1256 00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,079 of being one with little or no fear and 1257 00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,559 with a level of emotional depth few can 1258 00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:33,520 imagine for themselves it's a place of 1259 00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,670 esmeralda says okay now i am a fan and 1260 00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,440 must get the book thank you i hope 1261 00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:48,640 you'll check it out esmeralda 1262 00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,960 plenty more stories like this 1263 00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,520 alright back to reading 1264 00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,280 there was a distinct moment when i could 1265 00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,680 visibly see a rush of relief overtake 1266 00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:02,240 rachel as she sighed and wiped tears 1267 00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,440 away 1268 00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:04,960 the thought that she could potentially 1269 00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:07,359 have control over these experiences gave 1270 00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,559 her hope 1271 00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,040 it would be condescending to suggest 1272 00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,880 that she hadn't sought different ways to 1273 00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,599 try to deal with her experiences 1274 00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,920 but tom's words only solidified her 1275 00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,559 progression in knowing that not only was 1276 00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,280 she not alone but she could focus on the 1277 00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,280 positives in her life rather than 1278 00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,520 dwelling on the fear that these beings 1279 00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,599 would return 1280 00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,760 she would tell me quote i will continue 1281 00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:33,920 to try to focus on me and my soul's 1282 00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,799 journey maybe over time i'll have more 1283 00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,280 insight into this and the reason but 1284 00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:42,079 really i'd be happy if they just left me 1285 00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,680 alone 1286 00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,599 i hope to fill my life with happiness 1287 00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,000 and surround myself with positive people 1288 00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,000 on a level that these fear-inducing 1289 00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:52,480 beings can't touch 1290 00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,230 as our final and most emotional dinner 1291 00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,559 concluded that night i found myself 1292 00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,960 battling with my heavy eyelids hesitant 1293 00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,319 to go to sleep 1294 00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,000 whatever had happened the night before 1295 00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:10,319 had clearly affected me on a visceral 1296 00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,280 level 1297 00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,960 the very thought of encountering 1298 00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,280 something similar to what rachel mike or 1299 00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:17,920 so many others had seen was almost too 1300 00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,559 terrifying to consider 1301 00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:22,720 reluctantly i wished everyone a good 1302 00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,040 night and headed upstairs to bed 1303 00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,520 jane who had retired early was already 1304 00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,480 fast asleep as i crawled into bed the 1305 00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,040 window suddenly caught my eye and my 1306 00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,319 heart began to pound 1307 00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,480 as i lay there i began to think about 1308 00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,000 tom's message 1309 00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:42,000 no matter what was behind the glass of 1310 00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,200 that window 1311 00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,920 i had complete control over what it was 1312 00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,400 and what it made me feel 1313 00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:50,799 if it wanted to give me a message it was 1314 00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:53,680 up to me to let that happen 1315 00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,720 i opened the curtain wide and stared out 1316 00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,280 the faint sound of wind and snow hitting 1317 00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:00,720 the glass 1318 00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,480 i stared and stared and stared 1319 00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,680 nothing seemed to be happening 1320 00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:10,160 i turned in bed to face jane watching 1321 00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,839 the moonlight hit her in the most 1322 00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,200 brilliant way 1323 00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:16,319 she slept peacefully a faint smile on 1324 00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,839 her face 1325 00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,520 an immediate rush of comfort and 1326 00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,680 happiness consumed me 1327 00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:24,079 and no matter what was or wasn't out 1328 00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,599 there in the dark 1329 00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,280 it couldn't compete with the light i 1330 00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,359 felt in that moment 1331 00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,839 i had controlled the fear and i knew 1332 00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,319 that deep down rachel was beginning to 1333 00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:35,920 do the same 1334 00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,799 that night i slept more soundly than i 1335 00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:40,480 had in a very 1336 00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,030 we said goodbye to lee and rachel early 1337 00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:50,960 the next morning as they made the long 1338 00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,680 trek back to new jersey lee would be 1339 00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,680 spending a few days in new york city so 1340 00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,280 we knew full well it wouldn't be the 1341 00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,119 last time we'd see him 1342 00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,359 as for rachel i didn't know when i'd 1343 00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:03,520 ever see her again but through her 1344 00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,400 experiences she taught me that no matter 1345 00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,359 the level of intensity of an experience 1346 00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,680 it was possible to move on with one's 1347 00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,880 life 1348 00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:15,599 this was something i wished for her more 1349 00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:21,349 we arrived at the train station just in 1350 00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,799 time andrea and mike hugged us goodbye 1351 00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,119 it had been a weekend of laughs 1352 00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,240 crying and everything in between 1353 00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:32,240 what mike had done by bringing us all 1354 00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,839 together was something truly 1355 00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,680 special it was a weekend of sharing 1356 00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,480 without any prompting pressure or 1357 00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,000 presumptions 1358 00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,000 and it had certainly changed all of us 1359 00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,599 in many ways 1360 00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:47,359 it was the beginning of friendships and 1361 00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,319 the strengthening of others and as we 1362 00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,880 pulled out of the train station i knew 1363 00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,799 that whatever the message was that these 1364 00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,799 phenomena were trying to convey 1365 00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,040 it was getting much louder the more i 1366 00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:01,280 engaged in the lives of those having 1367 00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:02,160 these 1368 00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:07,200 and perhaps i was engaging more openly 1369 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:08,640 with the phenomena 1370 00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:18,150 that's it guys 1371 00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:20,150 is the chapter my weekend in the woods 1372 00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,440 with ufo abductees 1373 00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,240 i hope you enjoyed that 1374 00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,839 it was fun 1375 00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,400 i gotta say that was pretty fun 1376 00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:32,880 getting to share that with you guys um 1377 00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,839 you know 1378 00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,359 obviously the book goes into a lot more 1379 00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:37,440 detail with a lot of stuff but um i 1380 00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,640 thought that was one of the most 1381 00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:40,720 personal chapters of the book where i 1382 00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:42,880 actually was like embedded into the 1383 00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,799 lives of these people that i was would 1384 00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:47,599 eventually write about um so this was 1385 00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,200 quite a memorable experience for me um 1386 00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,400 i can't 1387 00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,240 thank mike enough if you're watching 1388 00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,280 this mike for allowing me to be a part 1389 01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,680 of this experience i was deeply honored 1390 01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,440 um it is something i will never forget i 1391 01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:03,119 will never forget the stories you all 1392 01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,319 told me 1393 01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,599 and um 1394 01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,079 i hold them close to my heart and 1395 01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:10,720 whatever has happened to you and 1396 01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,760 rachel and andrea and everyone else that 1397 01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:15,760 has ever had a ufo 1398 01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:18,960 abduction experience um 1399 01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:22,160 i just wish you comfort and uh closure 1400 01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,440 of some sort 1401 01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:24,799 um 1402 01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,640 that there are people like me out there 1403 01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,040 willing to listen and to hear you out 1404 01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:34,160 and to um try to help you find answers i 1405 01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,440 can't pretend i'm gonna find those 1406 01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,280 answers but i can at least tell your 1407 01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,079 story and preserve it so um 1408 01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,000 yeah that's kind of what i learned from 1409 01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,760 this experience is 1410 01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,280 you know anything can happen and i 1411 01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,200 almost found myself in the shoes of an 1412 01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:49,599 experiencer that night whatever happened 1413 01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:52,640 or didn't happen i can't tell you but 1414 01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,520 it stuck with me and i will never 1415 01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,440 know what was beyond the window that 1416 01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,920 night if there was anything but uh i 1417 01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,839 didn't let the fear overcome me by the 1418 01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:05,440 end of the trip and i think that's what 1419 01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:08,480 is most important is not letting fear 1420 01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,760 run our lives especially right now so 1421 01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,280 yeah um 1422 01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:15,280 that's about it guys that's all i've got 1423 01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,720 for tonight so unless you have any 1424 01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:18,880 questions you want to throw in the chat 1425 01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:21,760 there um super sticker super chat r open 1426 01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,559 i'd be more than happy to um to answer 1427 01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,440 some of those um but yeah this was first 1428 01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,160 of what might be many others i'll share 1429 01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,319 more chapters from the book if you do 1430 01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,319 like this sort of stuff um 1431 01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:36,559 yeah yeah it was delightful 1432 01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,040 thank you esmeralda hillary said loved 1433 01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,839 it bien thank you thank you i appreciate 1434 01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,040 that guys 1435 01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,200 a51 watcher says another great job brian 1436 01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:47,200 no wonder your sub count is getting so 1437 01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,400 big 1438 01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:50,880 that's very kind of you um yeah we're 1439 01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,799 almost up to i think it's 8k subscribers 1440 01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,799 so yeah guys if you're not subscribed to 1441 01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,640 the channel please do that right now 1442 01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,240 make sure you click the like button as 1443 01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,799 well um share this video with anyone you 1444 01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,960 think might find it interesting i would 1445 01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:06,799 certainly appreciate all of that and 1446 01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,799 let's see if we can get to 8k soon for 1447 01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:10,960 sure 1448 01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:13,280 um let's see a51 says i made a video 1449 01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:15,039 about alien abductions you can see it on 1450 01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:17,839 my channel feel free to comment oh yeah 1451 01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:21,039 that's cool a51 put your channel uh link 1452 01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:23,039 us to it in the chat there if you don't 1453 01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,160 mind would really really appreciate that 1454 01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,319 we'd love to check it out bien says do 1455 01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:29,839 you believe that window tapping was an 1456 01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,319 actual et experience 1457 01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,559 i don't know i mean let me go back 1458 01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,599 actually 1459 01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,680 um 1460 01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:39,839 to the first 1461 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,910 because 1462 01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,829 if you 1463 01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,640 look 1464 01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,680 to the right of the house those two 1465 01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,160 windows to the right 1466 01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,400 that was our room um those are the 1467 01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,160 windows to our room 1468 01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:00,400 and as you can see 1469 01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:02,799 there's no trees in front of it or 1470 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,839 anything 1471 01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,000 it was not like 1472 01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:08,400 hailing or really even snowing heavily 1473 01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,720 that night so i honestly couldn't tell 1474 01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:12,960 you what was tapping on the window 1475 01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:16,640 uh maybe a bird maybe an owl 1476 01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,839 mike clellan is known as the owl guy 1477 01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,599 um who has written 1478 01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:23,680 several books now on the connection 1479 01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,039 between ufo abductions and owls 1480 01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:29,280 and uh sort of the symbolism that they 1481 01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,799 have within ufo culture and um history 1482 01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,119 uh so i don't know i honestly don't know 1483 01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,880 bn i don't know what was tapping out 1484 01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,799 there but it scared the crap out of me 1485 01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:40,880 um but by the end i did not let it did 1486 01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:45,200 not let it uh scare me so yeah 1487 01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,599 please do this more as miranda says i 1488 01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:48,960 will 1489 01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:53,039 um 1490 01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:58,789 a51 says it's my username on youtube 1491 01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:01,920 awesome guys go check out a51 watchers 1492 01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,309 let's see hillary says oh wow that's 1493 01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:10,000 even creepier i assumed you were on the 1494 01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,799 first floor no no we were up a floor so 1495 01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,160 i don't know what the hell could have 1496 01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:16,000 been happening on that window or what 1497 01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,400 was under the the door frame that 1498 01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:20,240 freaked me out even more 1499 01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,240 um i asked everyone the next morning 1500 01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,640 like did was anyone up at night like 1501 01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,400 going through the hallways and i was 1502 01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:28,400 like no we were all 1503 01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,960 in in bed and i was like oh could it 1504 01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:33,039 have been spazzy could have been spazzy 1505 01:04:37,349 --> 01:04:35,119 the cat and mike was like no spazzy 1506 01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:37,359 stays in our room um and we shut our 1507 01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:38,720 door every night because we don't want 1508 01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,799 her like wandering while there's guests 1509 01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,640 and stuff so 1510 01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:44,480 i don't know i don't know that's what i 1511 01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,720 get for going to a weekend retreat with 1512 01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:48,960 a bunch of alien abductees 1513 01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,240 oh man man yeah it was an interesting 1514 01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,480 weekend to say the least you know and i 1515 01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,720 always struggle to like 1516 01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:58,079 did 1517 01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:00,319 these stories i heard 1518 01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,799 uh prior to that window dabbing and 1519 01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,079 everything um 1520 01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:06,400 influenced me in some way 1521 01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,680 possibly uh i i can't tell you but um it 1522 01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,599 was an intense fear like i'd never felt 1523 01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,880 before so 1524 01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,920 so yeah 1525 01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:15,920 gosh 1526 01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:17,599 scares me right now 1527 01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,549 awesome 1528 01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:24,480 all right guys well i think i'm gonna 1529 01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,520 call it a night we hit the hour mark um 1530 01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,359 and this was a lot of fun so i want to 1531 01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:30,960 thank you for joining me tonight for 1532 01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:34,160 this very special live stream uh again 1533 01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:35,440 please tell your friends about the 1534 01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,720 channel 1535 01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,640 and make sure you liked the video make 1536 01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,559 sure you're subscribed click on 1537 01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:42,400 notifications or what do they say ring 1538 01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:44,319 that bell so you know when we come out 1539 01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:47,680 with new videos and uh yeah try to stay 1540 01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:49,839 happy try to stay positive out there we 1541 01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,480 need that right now and um 1542 01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,640 and yeah i i really appreciate your time 1543 01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,880 tonight and for joining me and spending 1544 01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,799 your night with me here at summer in the 1545 01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,319 sky so um 1546 01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,480 if that's it no more questions in the 1547 01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:04,720 chat no um i'm gonna call it a night 1548 01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,440 guys um if you want to listen to the 1549 01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:10,000 podcast it's available wherever you get 1550 01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,039 podcasts um our latest episode 1551 01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:15,920 was about all the scientific discoveries 1552 01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,160 and space exploration going on right now 1553 01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:20,000 that christopher plane the head science 1554 01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,680 writer at the debrief has been writing 1555 01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,000 about some really cool stories um some 1556 01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:26,400 new discoveries of a new planet within 1557 01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,520 proxima centauri and a new exoplanet 1558 01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:31,920 very similar to tatooine the famous 1559 01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,799 planet from star wars and um 1560 01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:36,720 also a story about how we might be 1561 01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:40,880 extraterrestrial to our own planet um 1562 01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:43,119 yeah so it was an exciting episode i 1563 01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:44,319 hope you'll check it out it's in the 1564 01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,920 archives right now um that's it hillary 1565 01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,359 says thanks ryan thanks for the 1566 01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:51,119 nightmare fuel you're very welcome 1567 01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:53,440 hillary you're very very welcome go take 1568 01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:56,720 your uh your cbd gummy and and calm down 1569 01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:59,440 for the night um that's gonna be it guys 1570 01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:00,480 so again 1571 01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,119 from my heart to yours thank you so much 1572 01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:04,960 for joining me tonight and i will leave 1573 01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:09,119 you as always with our um our our slogan 1574 01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,880 here at summer in the skies keep your 1575 01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:12,960 feet on the ground but never stop 1576 01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:15,200 searching somewhere in the skies have a 1577 01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,270 hey guys ryan here the summer in the 1578 01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,480 skies podcast is a labor of love every 1579 01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:28,640 week and with that comes many different 1580 01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,119 costs to keep the show running that's 1581 01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,839 where our 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